Why did nobody in Tamil Nadu raise their voice when Karunanidhi declared Ugadi a state holiday in Tamilnadu?

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Why did nobody in India raise their voice when Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru declared Christmas a National holiday?

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1. I do not think Ugadi holiday has any connection with MK.
2. Tamil Nadu has a sizable population of Telugus, Kannadigas, Malayalis and Marathis.
3. Tamil Nadu and Kerala follow Solar Calendar and celebrate the New Year in Chiththirai Thirunal.
4. While Andhra, Telangana, Karnataka, Maharashtra follow Lunar Calendar. Andhra, Telangana, and Karnataka celebrate the new year as Ugadhi and Maharashtra celebrates the day as Gudi Padwa.
5. Ugadi Celebration in Tamil Nadu dates back to 14th century South of River Kaveri and it dates back to 2nd century North of River Kaveri.

Still if you have any objection in celebrating Ugadi in Tamil Nadu please let me know.

Question: No I am asking if it's a telugu holiday, why is it official holiday in TN, just because telugu people are in Tamil politics? Then pongal should also be a holiday in Andhra and Telangana.

You have not read my answer properly.

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Ugadhi is a festival of “not only Telugus” it is a new year festival of Telugu, Kannadigas and Marathis.

Official record of TN shows that TN has 6% Telugu, 3% Kannadigas and 0.1% Thanjavur Marathi speaking people.

Why we should not have holiday for 9% minorities, when we declare Christmas holiday for 6% minorities.

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Regarding Pongal? It is celebrated with different name “Makara Sankranthi” in respective states. Gujarat also celebrates 14the Jan as Uttarayan, Punjab also celebrates. They have not asked TN to declare holiday for Krishna Jayanti or Mahavir Jayanti.

Since we declared Christmas as Holiday, why US and other European nations not declaring holiday for Pongal or Krishna Jayanti. Leaving this thought for you.

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Telugu speaking states are three. Andhra, Telangana and TN. Present day Andhra and TN are part of Madras Presidency during British, are part of Vijayanagara Empire from 14–18 centuries, are again part of Pallava Rule earlier. Again go through my answer

Ugadi Celebration in Tamil Nadu dates back to 14th century South of River Kaveri and it dates back to 2nd century North of River Kaveri.

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Just think over why this racism? After all, we are humans. Yadum Oore; Yavarum Kelir.

What is the difference between Vadakalai and Thenkalai Vaishnavism?

First of all, these aren't the two main sub-sects of Vaishnavism, they are the two main sub-sects of Sri Vaishnavism. There are other Vaishnava Sampradayas, like the Gaudiya Vaishnava sect that ISKCON adheres to. What distinguishes Sri Vaishnavas from other kinds of Vaishnavas are mainly two things: our beliefs, and our origins.

Gaudiya Vaishnavas believe in Achintya Bheda Abheda, a simultaneous unity and difference between Jivatma (the human soul) and Paramatma (divine soul or supersoul) that is inconceivable. Madhvas believe in Dvaita, a fundamental difference between Jivatma and Parmatma. Sri Vaishnavas, on the other hand, believe in Visistadvaita, or "qualified monism", where there is one big unified whole called Paramatma, but within that there are still distinct parts like Jivatmas, akin to how an unborn baby is part of the body of a pregnant woman, but the pregnant woman's body extends beyond the baby (what Western thinkers would call panentheism).

The Sri Vaishnava sect has its origins in the works of the Alwars, a group of 12 ancient Vaishnava saints who lived in Tamil Nadu and and are famous for their poetry in praise of Vishnu. The 4000 poems of the Alwars were collected by Nathamuni into a book called the Naalayira Divya Prabhandam, which started being thought of as the Dravida Veda, or Veda of South India. It is the beliefs and principles embodied in the poems of the Naalayira Divya Prabhandam that provided a basis for the Sri Vaishnava belief system. Nathamuni was the founder of the sect, but it really got into prominence when Ramanujacharya became its leader. As I describe in this answer, it is after the time of Ramanujacharya that Sri Vaishnavas became a sizable enough portion of the Brahmin community that they started developing a distinct identity, which is e.g. how the Iyengars emerged from the Iyers.

Now Ramanujacharya placed pretty much equal emphasis on both Sanskrit scripture, like the Vedas, Upanishads, and Puranas, and the Tamil Naalayira Divya Prabhandam, because he took the notion that it was the Dravida Veda very seriously. But after his death, his followers started having disagreements. They all agreed on the Visistadvaita philosophy that characterizes the Sri Vaishnava belief system, but they had disputes that fundamentally revolved around how much authority we should give to the Naalayira Divya Prabhandam. Manavala Mamunigal and his successors believed that words of the Alwars are of paramount importance, and that they contain all the important messages of the Vedas and more, so they started called themselves Thenkalai (the Southern group), because their supreme scripture was the Naalayira Divya Prabhanda, which is from South India. Vedanta Desikan and his successors still believed that Alwars' words were sacred, but they also thought that we shouldn't neglect the importance of Sanskrit scripture like the Vedas. Since they placed some emphasis on scripture that had come from North India, they became known as Vadakalai (the Northern group).

The other doctrinal differences between Thenkalais and Vadakalais emerge from this split over what scriptures to pay the most attention to. For instance, Naalayira Prabhandam consists in large part of devotional poems where the Alwars describe their utter dependence on Vishnu for salvation (Moksha), akin to a lovesick youth being dependent on the affections of his beloved. Since the Thenkalais paid attention almost exclusively to the works of the Alwars, they developed the notion that all of us are dependent on Vishnu to grant salvation to whomever he chooses, and that we are powerless to do anything to achieve it. The traditional analogy is to baby kittens, who don't need to do anything in order to be carried around by their mother. The Vadakalais, on the other hand, got from Sanskrit scripture the insight that there are actually things we can do to try to achieve Moksha, like the principles of Bhakti Yoga laid out in the Bhagavad Gita. But they also paid attention to the poems of the Alwars, which led them to believe that it is possible to be granted salvation by Vishnu the way the Alwars were talking about, but in order to do that you need to first make a positive act of surrender (Saranagati or Prapatti) to the lotus feet of Vishnu. The traditional analogy for the Vadakalai belief is baby monkeys, who have to make some effort to cling to their mother's body.

The "cats vs. monkeys" dispute is the biggest doctrinal difference between Thenkalais and Vadakalais, but there are other smaller differences; here is a list of ten of them (the central difference I discussed above is described in points 1, 4, and 5):

1) Regarding Lord's mercy. Next to the Caste mark, this probably is the only other difference most people are aware of

Vadakalai View: Some positive gesture is necessary on the part of the jeevatma to deserve the grace of God, because He can be deemed partial if He grants Moksha to all both deserving and undeserving.

Tenkalai View: Lord's grace is spontaneous. He can grant Moksha to anyone he likes.

2) Regarding the status of Lakshmi (i) as to her being the means (ii) as to her being infinite (iii) as to her being Paramatma

Vadakalai View: (i) She is the means for attaining salvation as much as the Lord Himself and also has the role of a mediator ( Purushakara) (ii) She is infinite in nature (Vibhu) like the Lord Himself (iii) She is also Paramatma as much as the Lord Himself

Tenkalai View: (i) Do not accept this position though they accept her recommendatory role as held by Vadakalais (ii) She is atomic in nature like other Jeevatmas (iii) She is a Jeevatma like any of us.

3) Regarding Kaivalya

Vadakalai View: (i) Kaivalya is inferior to Paramapada (ii) Kaivalya is not eternal (iii) Kaivalya is situated Outside Paramapada

Tenkalai View (i) Accepted (ii) Kaivalya is eternal (iii) Kaivalya is within Paramapada but in its outermost parts.

4) Regarding the means of Bhakti and Prapatti

Vadakalai View: Accept both as the direct means but Bhakti is more difficult and dilatory while Prapatti is easy and immediate

Tenkalai View: Do not accept any means because Jeevatma is so utterly dependent as to be incapable of adopting either Bhakti or Prapatti as a means.

5) Regarding Prapatti

Vadakalai View: Prapatti has to be a positive specific act of surrender by the jeevatma to the Paramatma

Tenkalai View: No positive, specific act is necessary. All that is required is (i) the knowledge of the Svarupa of the Jeevatma and (ii) mental acceptance of the Lord's grace in granting salvation

6) Regarding sins

Vadakalai View: When a jeeva surrenders, the Lord forgives the sins committed by the jeevatma and grants Moksha.

Tenkalai View: The sins of a jeevatma is a source of joy for the Lord who relishes the same like a cow licking off the dirt on the body of its calf

7) Regarding performance of Compulsory duties like Sandhyavandanam

Vadakalai View: As compulsory duties are laid down by the Sastras which are the Lord's commandments, non- performance will tantamount to transgression of His commands (Ajna adhilangana) and will render the Prapanna liable for punishment

Tenkalai View: To a highly evolved soul, non- performance of the compulsory duties is not an offence. But, they should continue to do them more for setting an example to the less evolved souls.

8) Regarding the interpretation of the words "Sarva Dharman Parityajya' occurring in the Charama sloka

Vadakalai View: The Dharmas actually refer to the 32 Vidyas attaching to Bhaktiyoga which had already been given up by the jeeva due to incapacity and delay involved in observing them and the Lord offers to stand in their place

Tenkalai View: This is literally interpreted to mean ' First, give up your duties and then take refuge in the Lord'

9) Regarding the Lord's grief at the suffering of the souls

Vadakalai View: One can have grief only when one cannot remove suffering of another. But, the Lord is capable of removing suffering. So, there is no need for Him to grieve. As Sri Rama , He shows to the World how a human would feel and how one should react on seeing the misery of others.

Tenkalai View: They hold that the Lord actually feels sorry on seeing the sufferings of souls and cite examples from Srimad Ramayana where Sri Rama is depicted as grieving over the misery of others.

10) Regarding the Lord's being also atomic as well as gigantic in size as mentioned in the Vedas.

Vadakalai View: He is smaller than the atom in beings that are atomic in size. This is called 'Antar Vyapti' ( Immanence). He is also greater than the greatest in the sense He pervades and surrounds everything. This is called ' Bahir Vyapti'. ( Transcendence)

Tenkalai View: His being atomic in atoms and enveloping even the biggest are all done by what is known as 'Agatitha Ghatana Saamartya'- Special powers enabling accomplishment of even the infinite

Why does Sri Lankan Tamil sound like Malayalam?

 It depends on which province of Sri Lankan Tamil you interacted with.

You might have interacted with a 19th century migrant.

Central province saw, 8 lakh plantation tamil workers “Stateless” at the time of Sri Lankan independence. Majority were ezhavas migrated during British regime in 19th century from Southern Districts of Tamil Nadu and Kerala.

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Sri Lankan Tamil Dialects:

It has five dialects.

i)Jaffna Tamil - Northern SL- TN proximity

II)Batticaloa Tamil - Eastern SL - 1 to13 century migrants

iii)Negomba Tamil- Western SL- Natives

iv)Moors Tamil - Eastern SL- Arab descendants

v)Malayala Tamil- Central Province SL- 19 century migrants.

In addition Sri Lankan Tamil dialects are inflenced by Portugese, Dutch as well as English and Sinhalese.

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Many in Mainland (TN) may not be aware that, Tamils in N Eastern region of Sri Lanka, settled before 12–13 century, alongwith native Tamil in West and rest are called Sri Lankan Tamils, whereas Tamils migrated in 19th century to central Sri Lanka as plantation workers by the British are called Indian Tamils by the Sri Lankan Government.

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Within Eastern Region, one can find different histories to hear.

Eastern region Tamils follow traditional “Kudi” system with Panchamars (Nalars, Pallars, Parayars, Vannars and Ambattayars).

At the same time, “Vellalars and Karaiyears” claim their Kalinga (Odisha) connection of 13th century. Vellalar is not a Tamil community as many believe and it is Tamilized term of affluent Kalingas.

Central province saw, 8 lakh plantation tamil workers “Stateless” at the time of Sri Lankan independence. Majority were ezhavas migrated during British regime in 19th century from Southern Districts of Tamil Nadu and Kerala.Since then 40% were given citizens in Sri Lanka and remaining 60% were displaced and accepted in India, UK, Australia and Canada. India has accepted over 120000.

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The most cursed nation in the world today by ethnicity is Sri Lanka.

A tiny island with many faces due to Indian and European invasions.

Sri Lankan population is only 2 crore. Tamils are about 20 lakhs, about 10%.

These 20 lakhs, has different histories, different culture, differences due to period in which they migrated- and the majority Sinhalese population could not take minority alongwith them.

Offlate, the division tend to spread in other countries in a negative way. “Stateless” Sri Lankans use their Tamil identity (majority are in fact Malayalis) to mar the peace of other nations.

Yadum Oore; Yavarum Kelir.

Has hatred towards Telugu people increased in Tamil Nadu?

 I think it may be referring “You Tube” speech of a Film Director “Seeman”.

1.He is considered as “You Tube Vadivelu” in Tamil Nadu. Though he is not a comedian as people believe.

2.He is a Lateral Thinking Person. But he does not use his intelligent for the benefit of the mainland Tamil People, but to play ethnic cards on behalf of Sri Lankan Indian Tamils. He should understand the limitations of First Generation Politican and has to overcome the weakness.

3.He degrades every politician on their Non- Tamil Background, based on 300 -400 year history of their families and use the term “Vandheri” (borrowed from Sri Lanka; see the Sri Lankan connection below). He forgets about his own family background. He is a Christian and his family converted to Christianity, not out of any affinity or attraction to Christian Philosophy- to avail some petty economic tips from the then Government. Persons with such a background has no right to open his mouth on other’s integrity.

Selling one’s body or one’s soul will be considered as the extreme suffering happens in human’s life.

Sri Lanka Connection:

Sri Lanka typically discriminates Tamils into two categories - ezhavas who migrated from Southern TN and Kerala to Sri Lankan Central Province by the British as tea plantation workers in 19/20th century are called Indian Tamils. Whereas Tamils migrated before 19th century to Eastern and Northern regions are called Sri Lankan Tamils or Son of the Soils.

Seeman has the support of “Ex Plantation workers of Indian Tamils of Sri Lanka” displaced in other countries like UK, Canada, Australia.

India has accepted 1.2 lacs stateless tamils under bilateral agreement. Entire Tamil population in Sri Lanka is only 20 lakhs where as in mainland TN we are 8 Cr. Now the tail attempt to make the head dance.

One can typically find “Tamil Desiyam” banner and doing activities against sovereignity of our nation. They also run “Karuppar Koottam” type play list in the name of “ Sanga Tamizhan”.

Time is not far to reach a logical end for these activities.

These are the noises, do not attach value to it.

Remember

“ Seeman is not face of Tamil Nadu”

Do left leaning Tamilians have any issues if Lankan president or their cricket team visits Tamil Nadu? If yes, then isn't this hypocrisy considering their stand towards Pakistan or China?

 Anuj

1. Be realistic. Pakistan matters to bordering states Guj, Raj, Pun and J&K.
2. China matters for NES, WB,Bihar, UP, UK, HP and other hill states.
3. Tamils consider Pak and China enemies based on dissimination of information by the Govt. They are not culturally related to neither Pak nor China.
4. Unfortunately, these bordering states have so much affection to the enemy nations - it is putting so much security threat to our nation.
5. Before blaming Tamils, just imagine how much money is drained to defend our borders while NS Singh, Mamta show much love and affection to our enemies.
6. Over and above, Governments at Center impose the language of our enemy nations to make them comfortable.
7. It is high time you learn from Tamils and maintain the stand taken by the Government to respect Sovereignity of the nation.
8. Enemies are enemies. Break the so called cultural, language ties. Do not give our enemies an opportunity to play with us.

Why do the majority of South Indians look very different from all sub-Saharan Africans?

 Thats good.

South Indians could not identify Hero from Heroins in Bollywood films as both have no moustaches.

Why do Sri Lankan Tamils feel they are a minority when they form 25% of Sri Lanka's population compared to the Indian Tamils who form only about 6% of India's population?

Your facts are wrong alongwith your perception.

Sri Lankan population is only 2 crore. Tamils are about 20 lakhs, about 10%. Population of 2 crore where 1.8 Crore majority could not take along with them, 20 lakh minority.

TN itself has 7 Crore population, more than three times of total Sri Lanka. 7 Cr is a big number with the emotional support of 130 cr divines.

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This Tamil identity is the dangerous thing created by the tiny island.

We, in TN, do not aware of this tamil identity business before 1980s. Even before independence of India, the mainland had bigger empires with wider geographic reach, consisted of all ethnic communities since 14th century.

Proof is in the pudding, just an example Rajinikanth prospers in TN whereas Subramanyam Swami prospers in Delhi and Shiv Nadar prospers in UP.

Mainland follow golden rule:

Yadum Oore; Yavarum Kelir.

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I am surprised, within 20 lakhs, there is a sub categorisation by this Island nation as Indian Tamils and Sri Lankan Tamils.

Many in Mainland (TN) may not be aware that, Tamils in N Eastern region of Sri Lanka, settled before 12–13 century, alongwith native Tamil in West and rest are called Sri Lankan Tamils,

whereas

Tamil plantation workers migrated in 19th century to Central Sri Lanka by the British are called Indian Tamils.

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Fall out in TN:

I could recall, after 1980s

There are organized groups in the name of “Tamil Nationalism (Sri Lanka?)” or “Tamil Desiyam (Indian Branch?), which always try to play these ethnic divisions.

These people support “red wood smugglers” in Eastern Ghatts as they are Tamils. Few Tamil TV Channels follow Nalini, a convicted assassin, for over 35 years.

Why they do?

British not only divided us through partition of India, Pakistan and created conflicts in Kashmir.

It also rendered 8 lakh plantation tamil workers “Stateless” at the time of Sri Lankan independence. Majority were ezhavas or Panayeri Sanaars, migrated during British regime in 19th century from Southern Districts of Tamil Nadu and Kerala.

Since then 40% were given citizens in Sri Lanka and remaining 60% were displaced and accepted in India, UK, Australia and Canada. India has accepted over 120000.

Since they had emotional trauma of “Stateless” due to ethnic conflict, they always look for creating such ethnic conflicts in the mainland. They create imagineries of trauma they underwent and pass it onto youngsters of mainland. They even try to align the caste names as found in Sri Lankan Eastern Region.

Many in Mainland (TN) may not be aware that, Tamils in N Eastern region of Sri Lanka, settled before 12–13 century, alongwith native Tamil in West and rest are called Sri Lankan Tamils, whereas Tamils migrated in 19th century to central Sri Lanka by the British are called Indian Tamils.

Eastern region Tamils follow traditional “Kudi” system of Vellalars or Karaiyars with Panchamars (Nalars, Pallars, Parayars, Vannars and Ambattayars). Now you may wonder, how these Indian Ezhava Tamils migrated as bonded labours in 19th century to central Sri Lanka, made our TN youngsters popularising the Sri Lankan term Vellalars - it is tail trying to make the head dance. Beware, 1.2 Lakh bad elements spoiling 7 crore mainland Tamils.

There are films such as “Asuran” on the caste lines of Maharashtra, murdering the main theme of Sahitya academy novel “Vekkai” and projecting it as happened in TN.

They have taken an incident of breast tax from history in Travancore Princely state and created an imaginary as if it happened in Tamil Nadu. Ridiculous.

They are backed by political parties and Foreign funds, ofcourse from their diaspora across the Globe. There are people employed by them, to propogate such tweets in social media.

Their view does not reflect the view of rest. The mainland had bigger empires with wider geographic reach, consisted all ethnic communities since 14th century. Proof is in the pudding, just an example Rajinikanth and many more in all spheres.

Majority still follow golden rule:

Yadum Oore; Yavarum Kelir.

Yes. Tamils pay price for the conversion, migration tactics adopted by the British.

It is time to ensure that these stateless elements not play ethnic cards with our youngsters .

We had enough in mainland, Karuppar Koottam, Sanga Thamizhan- it is being projected everything these “Traumatized Stateless People” does as done by Ancient Tamils!!!