Is it true that some Tamil people are trying to disown SP Balasubrahmanyam by claiming that he is a non-Tamil?

 Yes.

Disowning SPB is not a new thing.

At the same time the same Some Tamil people support “red wood smugglers” in Eastern Ghatts as they are Tamils. Few Tamil TV Channels follow Nalini, convicted in assassination case, for over 35 years.

There are organized groups in the name of “Tamil Nationalism” or “Tamil Desiyam (Indian Branch?), which always try to play these ethnic divisions.

Why they do?

British not only divided us through partition of India, Pakistan and created conflicts in Kashmir.

It also rendered 8 lakh plantation tamil workers “Stateless” at the time of Sri Lankan independence. Majority were ezhavas, migrated during British regime in 19th century from Southern Districts of Tamil Nadu and Kerala.

Since then 40% were given citizens in Sri Lanka and remaining 60% were displaced and accepted in India, UK, Australia and Canada. India has accepted over 120000.

Since they had emotional trauma of “Stateless” due to ethnic conflict, they always look for creating such ethnic conflicts in the mainland. They create imagineries of trauma they underwent and pass it onto youngsters of mainland. They even try to align the caste names as found in Sri Lankan Eastern Region.

Many may not be aware that, Tamils in N Eastern region of Sri Lanka, settled during 12–13 century are called Sri Lankan Tamils, whereas Tamils migrated in 19th century to central Sri Lanka by the British are called Indian Tamils. Eastern region Tamils follow traditional “Kudi” system of Vellalars or Karaiyars with Panchamars (Nalars, Pallars, Parayars, Vannars and Ambattayars). Now you may wonder, how these Indian Ezhava Tamils migrated in 19th century to central Sri Lanka, made our TN youngsters popularising the Sri Lankan term Vellalars - it is tail trying to make the head dance. Beware, 1.2 Lakh bad elements spoiling 7 crore mainland Tamils.

There are films such as “Asuran” on the caste lines of Maharashtra, murdering the main theme of Sahitya academy novel “Vekkai” and projecting it as happened in TN.

They have taken an incident happened in Travancore Princely state and created an imaginary as if happened in Tamil Nadu. Ridiculous.

They are backed by political parties and Foreign funds, ofcourse from their diaspora across the Globe. There are people employed by them, to propogate such tweets in social media.

Their view does not reflect the view of rest. The mainland had bigger empires with wider geographic reach, consisted all ethnic communities since 14th century. Proof is in the pudding, just an example Rajinikanth and many more in all spheres.

Majority still follow golden rule:

Yadum Oore; Yavarum Kelir.

Yes. Tamils pay price for the conversion, migration tactics adopted by the British.

It is time to ensure that these elements not play ethnic cards with our youngsters .

End with a lighter note:

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What are the three types of semmozhi in Tamil

 There is only one Semmozhi.

Over the period, it is a Valakkumozhi in Southern Tamil Nadu to comment on the presence of other languages.

It is just a rude regional classification.

In South, one can find all landscapes - like Podhigai hills, Tamirabharani river basin Red Soils, Sankaran Kovil Black Soils, Tiruchendur KK beaches, Theri desert.

Red Soil in Nanguneri, Ambasamudram and Radhapuram cultivates Groundnuts, millets and pulses. Black Cotton Soil is found in Palayamkottai, Sankarankovil, Kovilpatti is suitable for Cotton, ragi, paddy.

One can find all deities of Shivan(Nava Kailasham starting Podhigai hills), Perumal (Nava Tirupati on the banks of Tamirabharani), Gomathy Ambigai with Sankar & Narayanar(Sankarankovil), Murugan (Tiruchendur Beach), and Ayyanar (Theri Kadu Desert)

Rich with religious saints, from Agasthiyar to Azhwars. Many may not be aware Nanguneri is the head quarter of Tenkalai Sri Vaishnavism sect.

It is believed that this regions speaks “Semmozhi” on the rules laid down by Rishi Agasthya of Podigai Hills.

On the southern side, these people interact with Malai Mozhi while on the northern side (Sankarankovil, Kovilpatti side) people speak Isai Mozhi.

So we can tell, Malai Mozhi, (Tamira) Bharani Mozhi and Isai Mozhi as three types of Semmozhi.

Why are Tamils trying to break up the only country for Sinhalese when Tamil Nadu exists?

 Tamils are the victims by Sri Lankan Nationals.

Yes.

Sri Lankan Population is only 2 Cr, one fourth of Indian State of TN. And Tamils are about 4% or 8 lakhs. (Chennai population is 1 crore).

Let us see the break up of demographics in timeline:

In 1931,

Sinhalese :65%

Indian Plantation Tamils:15%

Sri Lankan Tamils:11%

Moors:5%

Description of who is who and what has happened from 1931 till 2012:

The Sinhalese make up 74.9% (up from 65%) of the population and are concentrated in the densely populated south-west and central parts of the island.

Sri Lankan Tamils (Malayalis migrated to Sri Lanka in 12th century, they speak Malayalam and Tamil scripts are used for writing. They alongwith Sinhalese raised the voice in 1960s to drive out Tamils from Sri Lanka) who live predominantly in the North and East of the island, form the largest minority group remained same from 1931,at 11.1% (according to the 2012 census) of the population.

The Moors descendants of Arab traders that settled in Sri Lanka and married local women, form the third largest ethnic group at 9.3% (up from 5%)of the population.

There are also Indian Tamils who form a distinct ethnic group comprising 4.1% (down from 15% in 1931)of the population.

The British brought them to Sri Lanka in the 19th century as tea and rubber plantation workers, and they remain concentrated in the "tea country" of south-central Sri Lanka.

What is the reason for the decline from 15% to 4%:

In 1960s Sri Lankan Tamils ( Malayalis who migrated to Sri Lanka in 12th century. they speak Malayalam and Tamil scripts are used for writing) alongwith Sinhalese raised the voice in 1960s to drive out Tamils from Sri Lanka.

The Indian Tamils of Sri Lanka were considered to be "stateless" and over 300 000 Indian Tamils were deported back to India, due to the agreement between Sri Lanka and India in 1964. Remaining were made Sri Lankan citizens in trenches till 2003.

Muthiah Muralidharan is a Sri Lankan, and an Indian Tamil whose ancestors migrated to Sri Lanka.

Andimuthu Raja is an Indian politician, and an Indian Tamil whose ancestors migrated to Sri Lanka and his grand father returned to India in 1960.

In a nation of 2 cr population where majority (Sinhalese) cannot take along the minorities and another minority(Sri Lankan Malayalis) alongwith majority drive out Tamils and made them stateless.

Karma strike back From 1980s. Majority turned against Minority Sri Lankan Malayalis is another history and now they fight with Sinhalese on Tamil identity.

Now Tamil Nadu is supporting Sri Lankan Malayalis who made Tamils stateless in 1964. Mainland TN is against Own Indian Tamils for the sake of Sri Lankan Malayalis, thanks to Seeman who also has Malayala ancestry.

Demographic statistics speak themselves, who made Tamils victim

In 2012,

Sinhalese : 75% up from 65%

Indian Plantation Tamils:4% down from 15%

Sri Lankan Tamils:11% flat 11%

Moors:9% up from 5%

Tamils are the victims by Sri Lankan Nationals, both Sinhalese and Sri Lankan Malayalis.

At which period was black skin Krishna replaced by blue skin Krishna? Is it because Krishna was a black South Dravidian and the North Indians wanted Krishna to have their appearance (not black)?

Are all  South Indians black? On the other side, Majority of Krishnas playmates Gujaratis are black. Many Brahmins of UP/Bihar are black. Even an early avatar Rama is black.

1. South India worship Vishnu or Narayana as their founder, and are followers of Mayonism or Sri Vaishnavism.
2. While North regard Vasudeva-Krsna as their founder and are followers of Brahmanic Vaishnavism.
3. The Sanskrit Bhagavata Purana is essentially a Sanskrit "translation" of the bhakti of the Tamil alvars.
4. Early writings in Tamil culture Sangam literatures, Tholkappiam and epics as Manimekalai and the Cilappatikaram present Mayon / Vishnu. References about Krishna can be only found in Manimekalai and Cilappadikaram, later kappiams.
5. The Alvars, whose name can be translated "sages" or "saints", were devotees of
1. Mal -
2. Tiru Mal-
3. Sri and Mal-
4. Sri and her Pati-
5. Tiru and her Pati -
6. Tirupati. and there are 108 Tirupatis.
6. Vaishnavism in the 8th century came into contact with the advaidya doctrine of Adi Shankarar.
7. Many of the early Sri Vaishnava scholars such as Nathamuni, Yamunacharya and Ramanuja, contested the Advaita Vedanta doctrines and proposed Vishnu bhakti ideas instead.
8. Sri Vaishnavism flourished in predominantly Shaivite South India during the seventh to tenth centuries CE with the twelve Alvars, (many are non brahmins, including kings and others from all communities) saints who spread the sect to the common people with their devotional hymns. The temples that the Alvars visited or founded ( ritual certifications - present day ISO) are now known as Divya Desams and there are 108 TiruPatis or Divyadesams.
1. Tirumala Tirupati is one among them and
2. Yes, worlds largest functioning hindu temple Sri Rangam also one among them and
3. Richest temple Tiru Anantha Puram included.
4. Worlds Tallest Temple Gopuram in 1956,(Sri Rangam since 1987) and Tamil Nadu State Emblem, Tiruvilliputtur Andal (who wrote Tiruppavai) temple also one of Divya Desam.
5. One can find Vishnu in any of these three, lying, sitting and standing positions in Divyadesams.
9. Their poems in praise of Vishnu in Tamil language are collectively known as Naalayira Divya Prabandham(4000 divine verses).
10. Many of the Vijayanagara Emperors and their feudatory kings of Madurai, Tanjavur, Checking, Chandragiri, Mysore who ruled South for over three centuries from 14th till 18th century are predominantly Sri Vaishnavites.
11. Sri Vaishnavism has two sects, Vadakalai (head quartered Kanchi) and Thenkalai(head quartered Nanguneri, Tirunelveli Dist).

Do you support Thirumavalavan in the recent Manusmriti controversy?

 Short Answer:

Thirumavalavan is a Dalit leader in Tamil Nadu.

Manu is written in Sanskrit.Manu will not be applicable south of Vindhyas.

Ambedkar is a Maharashtrian, and the way dalits treated there is not here in TN.

Thiruma has to tread his own path.

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Thirumavalavan is a Dalit leader in Tamil Nadu.

Relatively Dalits are better of in Tamil Nadu than other states, especially Maharashtra.

But how a dalit leader, like Thirumavalavan make himself visible to the mass.

Maharashtra and Ambedkar comes in handy for him.

He is in the imaginary world, that everything happens elsewhere, he reacts as it is happening in Tamil Nadu. Better would be that he moves to Maharashtra or North India to make his work meaningful.

We will see the Myths he believe and impose on his followers:

Myth 1- Hinduism is dividing us into four varnas- Brahmins, Kashatriyas, Vaishyas and Sudras.

The truth is

#Manu is not applicable to South of Vindhyas. It is applicable to a country, South of Himalayas and North of Vindhyas.

#Ayyars and Ayyangars are Tamil priestly classes, with the respectable Tamil root “Ayya”.

They are like Bishops, Priests, Deacons.

Yes. They are like Lebbais.

Myth 2- Hinduism divide us by Caste

# Discrimination by race, ethnics and caste is worldwide phenomena. It will disappear slowly through education, urbanisation. Indian Government has implemented a tool in the form of reservation.

#Discrimination will again remain- as status by position, income, wealth etc and cannot be eliminated.

#Tamils are no exception divided by caste

- from A(yyar) to V(anniar) in Hinduism;

-RCs and CSIs in Christianity;

-Ravuththars, Maraikkayars, Lebbias in Islam.

Myth 3 - Ambedkar was a Buddhist.

Ambedkar, an intellectual leader of Maharashtra who drafted our constitution was a Hindu. He condemned certain discriminations in Hinduism and threatened to change his religion alongwith his followers. Many religions gave presentations. He found all are not like his expectation. 30 years passed. On the insistance of others, before couple of years before his death, he has taken few points of Buddhism and formed a new religion called “Neo Buddhuism

Thiruma clings on this and talks vulgar about Temples. Yes, he talked vulgar about his own religion without any proper understanding.

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He also has his followers in film Industry, who blindly spread false information through films. They fool everyone including Rajinikanth but Dalits in TN are furious about the way, these Film Directors depict them in films.

Want an evidence. Here it is,

Many may not be knowing, “Asuran” is a film made out of “Sahitya Academy Novel - Vekkai” by Poomani, whose works are set in karisal bhoomi or the semi-arid and rain-fed regions of southern Tamil Nadu.

It is not the first time, the region has produced Tamil writers of Magnanimous height, it stands tall and even better than Bengali literary writers.

Unfortunately, they are misunderstood and twisted for dirty Dalit politics by Vetrimaran and Dhanush.

The novel is written 38 years ago and Film is taken in 2019. What the novel writer says that whatever has shown in the film would not have happened in 3 decades ago, forget about today.

1. Pallars have been living with dignity. Falling on one’s feet, even for respect, is not Tamil culture. Kudumbamars never do that.
2. Quote “In the film, Dhanush falls at the feet of every villager. He is also forced to carry chappals. Those are all different stories.
3. There are no panchami lands (lands reserved for Dalits) in our areas, as shown in the movie.
4. The film has retained the novel’s larger framework, but developed its own story. My friends advised me to keep quiet, because if I had said anything then, it would have embarrassed the film crew.” Unqoute
5. He quotes on The other changes made in the film “Even the cultural language of the novel has been changed. The book has sharp and short dialogues: those are missing in the film.
6. Many more characters are murdered in the film. And the film has murdered the novel.”Unquote
7. Quote “Vekkai is not a Dalit novel. It centres on the agony of a teenage boy and in my book I have not given the boy a caste identity. The idea of a Dalit identity is imported from Maharashtra.

It is shameful, considerable damage has already been by these leaders and victims are youngsters.

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My view:

Taking cues from somewhere in North India and other states, Thirumavalavan exaggregate and form his own hypothesis to mislead the youngsters. Unfortunately youngsters do not discuss these with their last generation.

What makes Jainism a better religion than Hinduism*?

 What makes Jainism a better religion than Hinduism?

Restraint makes it uniqueness of Jainism with the rest.

If You want to compare it with Hinduism, then it is like comparing

1. Pineapple with Coconut.
2. Singapore with India
3. Small well with an ocean

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The term Hinduism is general, there are Saivism, Vaisnavism, Sakthas etc etc. and many sects within each.

Whereas Jainism comes under Shramanic religions. It is logical to compare with other Shramanic religions.

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Shramanic Religions: There are various classifications:

Some say 6, based on Philosophy and contemporaneous ascetics of Mahavira.

Some include 84 Siddhas from Nath Tradition, (which includes 18 Tamil Siddhas) and making it 90.

In six who are contemporaneous to Vardhman Mahavira are:

1.Buddha is a mystic who taught as void.(Buddhism)

2.Mahavir is a mystic chemist who taught as restraint. (Jainism)

3.Makkali Gosala is a mystic alchemist(metallurgist ) who taught as fatalism.(Ajivika)

4.Purana Kassappa is an ascetic who taught as non action(Akiriyavada)

5.Ajita Kesakamabali is an ascetic who advised as to live happily (Charvaka)

6.Sanjaya Belathiputta taught as suspension of judgement (Ajnana)

There were several mystics (over 84 Maha Siddhas) in our holy land before and after Buddha, Mahavira, Gosalas, Kassappas, Shits and Sanjayas. These mystics contributed much in philosophy, medicine, metullergy and performed miracles.

Some worshipped Shiv, some Sakthi, some Murugan.After Buddhism and Jainism, some created the left hand sects within Buddhism and Jainism

In a nutshell, Restrain make it uniqueness of Jainism with the rest.

The End

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Annexure: Hinduism, a misnomer?

Part 1 - Hindu

I will go backwards in time line.

#South Indians as Hindus in 20th Century: After world war I, that is after 1920s, eventually, any person of Indian origin (including Tamils) who did not practice Abrahamic religions came to be branded as a Hindu, thereby encompassing a wide range of religious beliefs and practices.

#North Indians as Hindus in 18th Century: Towards the end of the 18th century, the European merchants and colonists referred collectively to the followers of the Dharmic religions in Hindustan — which geographically referred to most parts of the northern Indian subcontinent — as Hindus.

#Land of Hindus as Hindustan in 13th Century:The Arabic term al-Hind, referred to the land of the people who live across the river Indus. From 13th century, the word Hindustan began to be used as a popular alternative name for India, meaning the "land of Hindus".

#People Live Across Indus River as India in 5th Century: The word Hindu or Indu was used by Greeks to denote the country and people living beyond the Indus river. Megasthenes' 'Indica' epitomizes the name for India and Indians around the 5th Century B.C.E

Hindu is the Sanskrit Word and Shindu is the Local word for River Indus.

Part 2 - Tamil Religions

I will go forward in time line.

The Tamil area had an independent existence outside the control of northern empires. The Tamil kings and chiefs were always in conflict with each other mostly over property. The royal courts were mostly places of social gathering rather than places of dispensation of authority; they were centres for distribution of resources.

# Tholkappiam between the 5th century BCE and the 3rd century CE: In Sangam poems, there is relatively meager reference given to religion in general. In the akam songs, Tholkappiar has made reference to deities in the different land divisions:

Thirumal (Vishnu) for mullai (Forest)

Murugan (Karthik) for kurinji (Mountains)

Indhiran (Indra) for marutham (Plains or Agri Lands)

Varunan, for neithal (Sea Shores) and

Kotravai (Sakthi or Kali) for palai (Desert)

#Early Religions after Sangam Period: Gradually the rulers came under the influence of vedic beliefs. Shaivite, Vaishnavism and Shaktism come into existance.

#First Five Centuries: Buddhism, Jainism and Ajvika co-existed with early Shaivite, Vaishnavism and Shaktism. It is just to mention that Ajvika survived for nearly 2,000 years through the 14th century CE in Tamil Nadu. Kalabhras period is termed as “Dark Age” of Tamil History

#6th to 13th Centuries: Saivism and Vaisnavism dominated and replaced Buddhism and Jainism. Some of the earliest temples that are still standing were built during this period by the Pallavas. Rock cut temples were the order of the day.

#13th to 17th Century: Saivism and Vaisnavism dominated. It is one of the Golden periods of Temple Architect. Damaged temples of invaders were rebuilt and new structures built and existing structures were expanded by Vijayanagara Kingdom, Madurai and Tanjavur Naickers.

#18th to 19th Century: It is a chaos in Tamil Land - full of conflicts among Local Polygars of Maduari, Tiruchi, Senji, Marathas, Nawabs, British, French.

Christianity and Islam co-existed with majority Saivism and Vaisnavism (together were over 88%). Christians are mainly concentrated in Southern districts - Kanyakumari, Tirunelveli and Tuticorin.

#Post Independence: The trauma of the partition did not impact Tamil Nadu when India was granted Independence in 1947. There was no sectarian violence against various religions. There had always been an atmosphere of mutual respect and peaceful coexistence between all religions in Tamil Nadu.

Why are temples considered as a tourist place in India? Where worship is done regularly or occasionally?

 

1. Yes. It is called “Pilgrimage” in ancient times, if you are an outsider. If you are not comfortable, you may call it as a tourist place.
2. Worship is not mandatory in Temples. But you may.
3. Temples are constructed as per agamic principles. They are constructed as Energy Centres and in alignment with certain cosmic vibratíons. Agamas are prevedic and science of space or place in time-space interactions. Not only temples, it is applicable to certain pilgrimage places like Kasi, Rameswaram.
4. Simply visit and sit in temples without any thought. You will be taken to your desire with little efforts or no effort on your own.
5. Next time when you visit a temple, remember these and make your life as a celebration.

Are Tamils not Indus(Hindus)

 Kathir

People in Tamizh Mandalam is the only Classic Hindus, to be observed, followed by rest of India in their life time, to die as a true Hindu. It is the house of temples still vibrates the life energy to internalise. This is what the statement I am making, after travelling Western, Central, Northern and Eastern Part of India. Exceptions will always be there, here and there, of Dhams in Uttaranchal, Orissa.

1.Hinduism existed before vedas come into exitance. The religion contained - many specializations from construction to astronomy,

2.The visual form of Tamizh is Murugan or Saravana or Subramanya Swami - a Hindu God.

3.I am God; My first hero, my father is God; one of our role model in our extended family, my ancestor is Kuldev for our families. The soldiers in the borders, Ayyanars and Karuppa Swami and Pechchi Ammans and the Seasons, Mari Amman and Other Ammans are Gods. Is it not Hinduism?

4.When Bharat was invaded and their culture is bombarded - the conservative hindus with rich Hindu Culture migrated as far as from Saurashtra and as near as Karnataka to peaceful Tamizh mandalam (thanks to Chera, Chola, Pandyas) It welcomed them and allowed them to grow with their identity in tact. It also welcomed the traders from Middle Easts. While rest of the Bharat was busy learning languages of invaders, few undergone forceful conversions - Tamizh Mandalam is busy constructing temples and encouraging its arts, music, dances. That is the reason why as on date, Southern films are technically much superior than the rest.

The major points are common to nearby South Indian States, Andhra, Karnataka, Kerala and Pondi as well.

Edits on 24.7.20

Are Tamils are not Indus?

Like this, there are several myths, Tamils believe, unaware of their glorious history.

Political leaders with articulate speeches alienate them for their vote banks.

Here are the Myth Busters in the lighter note:

Myth 1 - Tamils are only Tamils, Hindus are not Tamils.

#There are Tamil Hindus, all Hindus are not Tamils; (88% of Tamils are Hindus)

There are Tamil Christians, all Christians are not Tamils. (only 6% of Tamils are Christians)

There are Tamil Muslims, all Muslims are not Tamils. (only 6% of Tamils are Muslims)

Myth 2 - Thamarai Malarndhe Theerum - Former BJP President Tamilisai Sounderarajan

# Thamarai Flowered in Tamil Nadu in 1947 (The logo of the CSI consists of a Cross superimposed on a stylize Lotus in a white backdrop.

Myth 3- Pankaj is the name of a Sanghi belonging to RSS kept his name in Sanskrit.

#It is the name of an Agmark Tamil Christian Protestant. Pankaj in Sanskrit means Lotus in English and Thamarai in Tamil. Protestants are not protestors of Sanskrit. Like Lebbias love Urdu.

Myth 4- Hinduism is dividing us into four varnas- Brahmins, Kashatriyas, Vaishyas and Sudras.

#Manu is not applicable to South of Vindhyas. It is applicable to a country, South of Himalayas and North of Vindhyas. Manu states all people South of Vindhyas are Sudras, you and I included.

Myth 5- Parpanars are Aryans

Ayyars and Ayyangars are Tamil priestly classes, with the respectable Tamil root “Ayya”. They are like Bishops, Priests, Deacons in christianity. Yes. They are like Lebbais in Islam.

Myth 6- Hinduism divide us by Caste

# Discrimination by race, ethnics and caste is worldwide phenomena. It will disappear slowly through education, urbanisation. Indian Government has implemented a tool in the form of reservation.

#Discrimination will again remain- as status by position, income, wealth etc and cannot be eliminated.

#Tamils are no exception divided by caste

- from A(yyar) to V(anniar) in Hinduism;

-RCs to CSIs in Christianity;

-Ravuththars to Maraikkayars to, Lebbias in Islam.

#At the subtle levels, everyone is proud of their heriditary and tools to break them are not sufficient, though money, status, power are breaking.

Myth 7 - Religion Does not Matter for Tamils

Religion within caste do matter. In certain communities the religious converts are perceived as outcastes.

CSI itself is an union of atleast Four. We faced Portuguese, Dutch, French and British and their missioneries converted locals for their work to loot our temple treasures.

Myth 8 - Ambedkar was a Buddhist

Ambedkar, an intellectual leader of Maharashtra who drafted our constitution was a Hindu. He condemned certain discriminations in Hinduism and threatened to change his religion alongwith his followers. Many religions gave presentations. He found all are not like his expectation. 30 years passed (like our Rajinikanth). On the insistance of others, before couple of years before his death, he has taken few points of Buddhism and formed a new religion called “Neo Buddhuism”

Myth 9 - Vandheris of Telugu, Kannadiga, Marathas and Saurashtrians by Vijayanagara Empire

History cannot be changed.

Tamil migrants are everywhere from Kashmir to Thiruvanandhapuram and Kutch Ship Building to Arunachal;

Not only in India - several countries across the globe. Many business leaders in US companies.

Not only in this century, from 9th century in South East Asia.

Last century we saw Nattukkottai Chettiars controlling Burma’s economy.

Sameway others migrated to TN.

Telugus, Kannadigas, Saurashtrians during Vijayanagara Empire from 13th century;

Marathis during Maratha rule in Tanjore in 17th century.

Ravuththars are Turkey descendants (Called Turukkars or tulukkars) migrated in 13th century.

Marakkairs are Arab descendants.

If we are proud of Malaysian Tamil or Sri Lankan Tamil, we should accept the contribution of these conservative Hindus of Telugu, Kannadiga and Saurashtrians contribution to our Culture, arts, language, temple construction and reconstructions.

Myth 10 - Vedas are written in Sanskrit. Tamil has comparable or better Literary.

#Agamas are prevedic. Translation from Tamil to Sanskrit and vice versa are very common those days.

#Kanchi was epitome of study and as famous as Nalandha, Taxila Universities. Sanskrit was a school of study in Kanchi.

#No one knows, which language translated the “treasure from other”. It is both ways.

If we are proud that Harward or any other foreign university accepting Tamil as a school of study after collecting a hefty fee, what is the problem with Sanskrit?

We must be proud that Kanchi was like Harward in those days.

Myth 11- Sanskrit is a dead language with native speakers of 25000.

Tamil is one of the oldest classical language spoken by over 7 crore people. It does not entitle one to criticize others who are well verse in both Tamil and Sanskrit.

Sanskrit is also one of the classical language of this holy land with abundant literary work of creativity at the best. Many of Hindu holy texts are written in this scientific language.

This is like Roman Catholics preserving their testaments written in Latin, an old classics.

Which language has the majority of the inscriptions in and around Tirupati out of Tamil, Telugu, and Kannada?

 The language of the inscription depends on which political power ruled at a particular time.

Vijayanagara Empire ruled Tirupati from 14th Century with Hampi, Penukonda, Chandragiri and Vellore as their capital in different points in time.

All the inscriptions, documents were continue to be in Tamil till the end of the empire, that is till 1665.

The last empire to rule Vellore as the capital is Araiva iti Varu Sri Ranga III Devaraya. The accounts were maintained by Kanakkappillais.

Last inscription to be found in Tamil is1638. After that there were no inscriptions due to chaos in carnatic region. Maraththa invasion took place in 1677.

After a gap of about 50 years, a solitary inscription in Telugu by a Maratta officer, was found on the south wall of the second prakaram of the Tirumalai Temple in 1684.

Land endowment documents of the temple by the earlier kings were destroyed in 1695 and those lands become part of Jagir and taxes were collected by Kanungos replacing Kanakkappillais.

One can safely assume the end of Sri Ranga III of Vijayanagara Empire, (till 1665, no one dared to invade the temple) and last inscription in 1638 as the end of Tamil Inscriptions in Tirupati. It was replaced with Telugu scripts of Gramya Style.

Source: History of Tirupati, a TTD publication.

Who propagated Vaishnavism in South India?

 

1. Who propagated Vaishnavism in South India?
2. Sri Vaishnavism flourished in predominantly Shaivite South India during the seventh to tenth centuries CE with the twelve Alvars. One can find idols of 12 always in Northern side of temples within first enclosure.
3. Vaibhav, You may be thinking, Vaishnavism and Sri Vaishnavism are same. It is not.
4. The complex history is reflected in the two main historical denominations of Vishnuvism.
5. South India worship Vishnu or Narayana, called Perumal as their founder, and are followers of Mayonism or Sri Vaishnavism.
6. While North regard Vasudeva-Krsna as their founder and are followers of Brahmanic Vaishnavism.
7. The Sanskrit Bhagavata Purana is essentially a Sanskrit "translation" of the bhakti of the Tamil alvars.
8. Early writings in Tamil culture Sangam literatures, Tholkappiam and epics as Manimekalai and the Cilappatikaram present Mayon / Vishnu/ Perumal. References about Krishna can be found in Manimekalai and Cilappadikaram.
9. The Alvars, whose name can be translated "sages" or "saints", were devotees of
1. Mal -
2. Tiru Mal-
3. Sri and Mal-
4. Sri and her Pati-
5. Tiru and her Pati -
6. Tirupati. and there are 108 Tirupatis.
10. Vaishnavism in the 8th century came into contact with the advaidya doctrine of Adi Shankarar.
11. Many of the early Sri Vaishnava scholars such as Nathamuni, Yamunacharya and Ramanuja, contested the Advaita Vedanta doctrines and proposed Vishnu bhakti ideas instead.
12. Sri Vaishnavism flourished in predominantly Shaivite South India during the seventh to tenth centuries CE with the twelve Alvars, (many are non brahmins, including kings and others from all communities) saints who spread the sect to the common people with their devotional hymns. The temples that the Alvars visited or founded ( ritual certifications - present day ISO) are now known as Divya Desams and there are 108 TiruPatis or Divyadesams.
1. Tirumala Tirupati is one among them and
2. Yes, worlds largest functioning hindu temple Sri Rangam also one among them and
3. Richest temple Tiru Anantha Puram included.
4. Worlds Tallest Temple Gopuram in 1956,(Sri Rangam since 1987) and Tamil Nadu State Emblem, Tiruvilliputtur Andal (who wrote Tiruppavai) temple also one of Divya Desam.
5. One can find Vishnu in any of these three, lying, sitting and standing positions in Divyadesams.
13. Their poems in praise of Vishnu in Tamil language are collectively known as Naalayira Divya Prabandham(4000 divine verses).
14. Many of the Vijayanagara Emperors and their feudatory kings of Madurai, Tanjavur, Checking, Chandragiri, Mysore who ruled South for over three centuries from 14th till 18th century are predominantly Sri Vaishnavites.
15. Sri Vaishnavism has two sects, Vadakalai (head quartered Kanchi) and Thenkalai(head quartered Nanguneri, Tirunelveli Dist).
16. Nammalvar is considered the most prominent among the twelve alwar Saints. Description about Nammalvar, Alwar Tirunagari Temple:
17. Alwar Tirunagari is believed to be the largest town in the time of Pandya kings. The distinguishing name, with alwar in Tamil prefixed to Thirunagari means the people who spoke languages first and speaks correct language.
18. The temple is considered the birthplace of Nammalvar, considered the most prominent among the twelve alwar Saints. Nammazhwar has contributed more than thousand verses out of the four thousand in , Nalayira Divya Prabhandam the Sri Vainava canon.
19. He was born in a Pallar family at Thirukuravur(modern day Alwar tirunagari) in the southernmost region of the Tamil country.
20. Brahmanda Purana one of the eighteen sacred texts of Hinduism and written by Veda Vyasa contains a chapter called Navathirupathi Mahatmeeyam. The second part of the chapter refers to Alwar Thirunagari.The temple is revered in Nalayira Divya Prabandham, the 7th–9th century Vaishnava canon, by Nammazhwar. The temple is classified as a Divyadesam, one of the 108 Vishnu temples that are mentioned in the book. The temple is also classified as a Navatirupathi, the nine temples revered by Nammazhwar located in the banks of Tamiraparani river. The temple is the most prominent among the nine Navatirupathi temple.Nammazhwar makes a reference about the temple in his works in Thiruvaimozhi. During the 18th and 19th centuries, the temple finds mention in several works like 108 Tirupathi Anthathi by Divya Kavi Pillai Perumal Aiyangar. The temple also forms a series of Navagraha temples where each of the nine planetary deities of one of the temples of Navatirupathi. The temple is associated with the planet Jupiter, called Guru.

I found the following quotation in the introduction to Bhagavat Purana 11.5. The quotation is based on verses 32, 36 and 38–40 of the said chapter.

In Kali-yuga He is golden in color, is accompanied by associates who are His primary and secondary limbs and His weapons, is absorbed in kṛṣṇa-kīrtana and is worshiped by the performance of saṅkīrtana-yajña. Since in Kali-yuga all the goals of human life can be achieved simply by the glorification of the holy name of Lord Śrī Hari, those who can appreciate the real essence of things praise Kali-yuga. In Kali-yuga many people in South India (Draviḍa-deśa), in places where the Tāmraparṇī, Kṛtamālā, Kāverī and Mahānadī rivers flow, will be dedicated to the devotional service of the Supreme Lord.

Where is the place mentioned near the rivers and is the said place now a Sri Vaishnava or Gaudiya Vaisnava or a Shaiva place of worship? Is there a direct connection with Gaudiya Vaishnavism or Lord Caitanya or was it existing previously to it? Is there a direct connection of that specific place with Sri Ramanujan or Sri Madhavacarya? Is the golden color of the avatar referring to Sri Caitanya or is it possible is previous to His appearance? I will appreciate your answer. This is for a research. Are there any books you could recommend referring to this same topic?

1. Kindly note, Sri Vaishnavism and Gaudiya Vaishnavism are different.
2. Bhagavat Purana (describing evolution) is Sanskrit translation Tamil Alwars work.
3. Yes, there are 108 Divyadesams on the banks of Tamira Bhrani (Tamil Nadu), Cauvery (Tamil Nadu) and beyond.
4. The 106 earthly Divya Desam temples are spread over the Indian states of Tamil Nadu (85), Kerala (11), Uttar Pradesh (4), Uttarakhand (3), Andhra Pradesh (2) and Gujarat (1), and Country of Nepal(1)- Muktinath. The last two are believed to be outside earthly realms.
5. These divyadesams are again classified into two - Thenkalai (Tamil ritual based) Vadakalai (Sanskrit ritual based).
6. The Divyadesams can be divided into 7 categories:
1. Thondai Naadu temples
2. Chozha Naadu temples(cauvery)
3. Nadu Naadu Temples
4. Pandiya Naadu Temples(Tamirabharani)
5. Malayala Naadu temples(Kerala)
6. Vadu Naadu Temples(North India)
7. Vinnulaga Thiruppathigal (after death)

The idols of Lord Vishnu in these Divyadesams can be found in 3 positions:

• Kidantha Thirukkolam ( Sleeping Position ) – 27 Divya desams
• Veetrirundha Thirukkolam ( Sitting Position ) – 21 Divya desams
• Nindra Thirukkolam ( Standing Position ) – 60 Divya desam

1. Yes.There are plenty of literature available dealing with philosophical doctrines.
2. As I said, within Sri Vaishnavism, there are two sects+ Thenkalai (Tamirabharani river) Vadakalai (Kanchi)
3. Disclosure: Source of the following writing is Not mine.
4. First of all, these aren't the two main sub-sects of Vaishnavism, they are the two main sub-sects ofSri Vaishnavism. There are other Vaishnava Sampradayas, like the Gaudiya sect that ISKCON adheres to. What distinguishes Sri Vaishnavas from other kinds of Vaishnavas are mainly two things: our beliefs, and our origins.

Gaudiya Vaishnavas believe in Achintya Bheda Abheda, a simultaneous unity and difference between Jivatma (the human soul) and Paramatma (divine soul or supersoul) that is inconceivable.

Madhvas believe in Dvaita, a fundamental difference between Jivatma and Parmatma.

Sri Vaishnavas, on the other hand, believe in Visistadvaita, or "qualified monism", where there is one big unified whole called Paramatma, but within that there are still distinct parts like Jivatmas, akin to how an unborn baby is part of the body of a pregnant woman, but the pregnant woman's body extends beyond the baby (what Western thinkers would call panentheism).

The Sri Vaishnava sect has its origins in the works of the Alwars, a group of 12 ancient Vaishnava saints who lived in Tamil Nadu and and are famous for their poetry in praise of Vishnu. The 4000 poems of the Alwars were collected by Nathamuni into a book called the Naalayira Divya Prabhandam, which started being thought of as the Dravida Veda, or Veda of South India. It is the beliefs and principles embodied in the poems of the Naalayira Divya Prabhandam that provided a basis for the Sri Vaishnava belief system. Nathamuni was the founder of the sect, but it really got into prominence when Ramanujacharya became its leader. As I describe in this answer, it is after the time of Ramanujacharya that Sri Vaishnavas became a sizable enough portion of the Brahmin community that they started developing a distinct identity, which is e.g. how the Iyengars emerged from the Iyers.

Now Ramanujacharya placed pretty much equal emphasis on both Sanskrit scripture, like the Vedas, Upanishads, and Puranas, and the Tamil Naalayira Divya Prabhandam, because he took the notion that it was the Dravida Veda very seriously. But after his death, his followers started having disagreements. They all agreed on the Visistadvaita philosophy that characterizes the Sri Vaishnava belief system, but they had disputes that fundamentally revolved around how much authority we should give to the Naalayira Divya Prabhandam. Manavala Mamunigal and his successors believed that words of the Alwars are of paramount importance, and that they contain all the important messages of the Vedas and more, so they started called themselves Thenkalai (the Southern group), because their supreme scripture was the Naalayira Divya Prabhanda, which is from South India. Vedanta Desikan and his successors still believed that Alwars' words were sacred, but they also thought that we shouldn't neglect the importance of Sanskrit scripture like the Vedas. Since they placed some emphasis on scripture that had come from North India, they became known as Vadakalai (the Northern group).

The other doctrinal differences between Thenkalais and Vadakalais emerge from this split over what scriptures to pay the most attention to. For instance, Naalayira Prabhandam consists in large part of devotional poems where the Alwars describe their utter dependence on Vishnu for salvation (Moksha), akin to a lovesick youth being dependent on the affections of his beloved. Since the Thenkalais paid attention almost exclusively to the works of the Alwars, they developed the notion that all of us are dependent on Vishnu to grant salvation to whomever he chooses, and that we are powerless to do anything to achieve it. The traditional analogy is to baby kittens, who don't need to do anything in order to be carried around by their mother. The Vadakalais, on the other hand, got from Sanskrit scripture the insight that there are actually things we can do to try to achieve Moksha, like the principles of Bhakti Yoga laid out in the Bhagavad Gita. But they also paid attention to the poems of the Alwars, which led them to believe that it is possible to be granted salvation by Vishnu the way the Alwars were talking about, but in order to do that you need to first make a positive act of surrender (Saranagati or Prapatti) to the lotus feet of Vishnu. The traditional analogy for the Vadakalai belief is baby monkeys, who have to make some effort to cling to their mother's body.

The "cats vs. monkeys" dispute is the biggest doctrinal difference between Thenkalais and Vadakalais, but there are other smaller differences; here is a list of ten of them (the central difference I discussed above is described in points 1, 4, and 5):

1) Regarding Lord's mercy. Next to the Caste mark, this probably is the only other difference most people are aware of

Vadakalai View: Some positive gesture is necessary on the part of the jeevatma to deserve the grace of God, because He can be deemed partial if He grants Moksha to all both deserving and undeserving.

Tenkalai View: Lord's grace is spontaneous. He can grant Moksha to anyone he likes.

2) Regarding the status of Lakshmi (i) as to her being the means (ii) as to her being infinite (iii) as to her being Paramatma

Vadakalai View: (i) She is the means for attaining salvation as much as the Lord Himself and also has the role of a mediator ( Purushakara) (ii) She is infinite in nature (Vibhu) like the Lord Himself (iii) She is also Paramatma as much as the Lord Himself

Tenkalai View: (i) Do not accept this position though they accept her recommendatory role as held by Vadakalais (ii) She is atomic in nature like other Jeevatmas (iii) She is a Jeevatma like any of us.

3) Regarding Kaivalya

Vadakalai View: (i) Kaivalya is inferior to Paramapada (ii) Kaivalya is not eternal (iii) Kaivalya is situated Outside Paramapada

Tenkalai View (i) Accepted (ii) Kaivalya is eternal (iii) Kaivalya is within Paramapada but in its outermost parts.

4) Regarding the means of Bhakti and Prapatti

Vadakalai View: Accept both as the direct means but Bhakti is more difficult and dilatory while Prapatti is easy and immediate

Tenkalai View: Do not accept any means because Jeevatma is so utterly dependent as to be incapable of adopting either Bhakti or Prapatti as a means.

5) Regarding Prapatti

Vadakalai View: Prapatti has to be a positive specific act of surrender by the jeevatma to the Paramatma

Tenkalai View: No positive, specific act is necessary. All that is required is (i) the knowledge of the Svarupa of the Jeevatma and (ii) mental acceptance of the Lord's grace in granting salvation

6) Regarding sins

Vadakalai View: When a jeeva surrenders, the Lord forgives the sins committed by the jeevatma and grants Moksha.

Tenkalai View: The sins of a jeevatma is a source of joy for the Lord who relishes the same like a cow licking off the dirt on the body of its calf

7) Regarding performance of Compulsory duties like Sandhyavandanam

Vadakalai View: As compulsory duties are laid down by the Sastras which are the Lord's commandments, non- performance will tantamount to transgression of His commands (Ajna adhilangana) and will render the Prapanna liable for punishment

Tenkalai View: To a highly evolved soul, non- performance of the compulsory duties is not an offence. But, they should continue to do them more for setting an example to the less evolved souls.

8) Regarding the interpretation of the words "Sarva Dharman Parityajya' occurring in the Charama sloka

Vadakalai View: The Dharmas actually refer to the 32 Vidyas attaching to Bhaktiyoga which had already been given up by the jeeva due to incapacity and delay involved in observing them and the Lord offers to stand in their place

Tenkalai View: This is literally interpreted to mean ' First, give up your duties and then take refuge in the Lord'

9) Regarding the Lord's grief at the suffering of the souls

Vadakalai View: One can have grief only when one cannot remove suffering of another. But, the Lord is capable of removing suffering. So, there is no need for Him to grieve. As Sri Rama , He shows to the World how a human would feel and how one should react on seeing the misery of others.

Tenkalai View: They hold that the Lord actually feels sorry on seeing the sufferings of souls and cite examples from Srimad Ramayana where Sri Rama is depicted as grieving over the misery of others.

10) Regarding the Lord's being also atomic as well as gigantic in size as mentioned in the Vedas.

Vadakalai View: He is smaller than the atom in beings that are atomic in size. This is called 'Antar Vyapti' ( Immanence). He is also greater than the greatest in the sense He pervades and surrounds everything. This is called ' Bahir Vyapti'. ( Transcendence)

Tenkalai View: His being atomic in atoms and enveloping even the biggest are all done by what is known as 'Agatitha Ghatana Saamartya'- Special powers enabling accomplishment of even the infinite.

What are some two ancient Vaishnavists?

 

1. You are right. The complex history is reflected in the two main historical denominations of Vishnuvism.
2. South India worship Vishnu or Narayana as their founder, and are followers of Mayonism or Sri Vaishnavism.
3. While North regard Vasudeva-Krsna as their founder and are followers of Brahmanic Vaishnavism.
4. The Sanskrit Bhagavata Purana is essentially a Sanskrit "translation" of the bhakti of the Tamil alvars.
5. Early writings in Tamil culture Sangam literatures, Tholkappiam and epics as Manimekalai and the Cilappatikaram present Mayon / Vishnu. References about Krishna can be found in Manimekalai and Cilappadikaram.
6. The Alvars, whose name can be translated "sages" or "saints", were devotees of
1. Mal -
2. Tiru Mal-
3. Sri and Mal-
4. Sri and her Pati-
5. Tiru and her Pati -
6. Tirupati. and there are 108 Tirupatis.
7. Vaishnavism in the 8th century came into contact with the advaidya doctrine of Adi Shankarar.
8. Many of the early Sri Vaishnava scholars such as Nathamuni, Yamunacharya and Ramanuja, contested the Advaita Vedanta doctrines and proposed Vishnu bhakti ideas instead.
9. Sri Vaishnavism flourished in predominantly Shaivite South India during the seventh to tenth centuries CE with the twelve Alvars, (many are non brahmins, including kings and others from all communities) saints who spread the sect to the common people with their devotional hymns. The temples that the Alvars visited or founded ( ritual certifications - present day ISO) are now known as Divya Desams and there are 108 TiruPatis or Divyadesams.
1. Tirumala Tirupati is one among them and
2. Yes, worlds largest functioning hindu temple Sri Rangam also one among them and
3. Richest temple Tiru Anantha Puram included.
4. Worlds Tallest Temple Gopuram in 1956,(Sri Rangam since 1987) and Tamil Nadu State Emblem, Tiruvilliputtur Andal (who wrote Tiruppavai) temple also one of Divya Desam.
5. One can find Vishnu in any of these three, lying, sitting and standing positions in Divyadesams.
10. Their poems in praise of Vishnu in Tamil language are collectively known as Naalayira Divya Prabandham(4000 divine verses).
11. Many of the Vijayanagara Emperors and their feudatory kings of Madurai, Tanjavur, Checking, Chandragiri, Mysore who ruled South for over three centuries from 14th till 18th century are predominantly Sri Vaishnavites.
12. Sri Vaishnavism has two sects, Vadakalai (head quartered Kanchi) and Thenkalai(head quartered Nanguneri, Tirunelveli Dist).

Such a language, such a culture, such a magnificient temples based on bhakti movement of South is now facing imposition of invader language and culture from North- which tells the sorry state of affairs of Independent India today.

How often do Tamil speakers in Tamil Nadu come in contact with Telugu speakers?

 Uma Maheshwarji,

How often do Tamil speakers in Tamil Nadu come in contact with Telugu speakers?

One out of 20.(Telugu Speakers are 5.65 percent as per 2001 census in TN, mainly in border districts & Chennai)

One out of 40 (Kannada Speakers)

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How often do Tamil speakers in Tamil Nadu come in contact with Telugu speakers?

If you extend it to Telugu ancestry, (who cannot read or write, but speak due to Tamil imposition in Schools)

May be One out of four.

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Telugu population is not uniform. In some regions you can find them more. In some regions, less. There are some villages with only Telugus.

If one travels 170 Kms, from Nagercoil to Virudhunagar, the language diaelect changes starting with Malai Mozhi, Semmozhi and end with Isai Mozhi.

Some districts, where Telugus more are:

Chennai /Thiruvallur/ Kanchipuram

Coimbatore/ Salem

Madurai/ Theni/ Tiruchi

Krishnagiri/ Vellore/ Dharmapuri

Virudhunagar/ Thooththukkudi

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Why so?

Vijayanagara Empire (1323 till 1737) had atleast seven feudatory Kingdoms. Five are Telugu kingdoms and last 3 are Tamil countries with significant Telugu population.

1. Tulu Rajya (Kanara) with Bangalore and Mangalore as capital. (Later mentioned as Mysore also, Sri Rangapatna was camped by empire during its decaying period)

2. Malai Rajya (Shimoga and North Kanara) with Banavasi as capital.

3. Udayagiri Rajya (Nellore and Cuddappa) with Udayagiri as capital.

4. Penukonda Rajya with Penugonda as capital. Second Capital of Empire after Talikota war.

5. Muluvai Rajya (Kolar, Chittor, Salem, Dharmapuri, North Arcot) with Mulbagal as capital.

6. Rajagambira Rajya- Chola and Tondaimandalam (later mentioned as Chandragiri, Vellore- Third and Fourth capital respectively of Empire during its decaying period).

7. Pandiya Rajya with Madurai as capital

With over 700 years, they are the Son of the Soils of Tamil Nadu with no linkages with Telugu Speaking States of either Telangana or Andhra, but speak Tamilized Talli Telungu.

Is it true that Telugu people lived in and around Tamil Nadu?

 Is it true that Telugu people lived in and around Tamil Nadu?

Yes. You can find Telugu people around 5% living in Tamil Nadu and Tamil people living in Telugu regions.

There are historic reasons behind it amd they are living together for over 7 centuries.

Earlier there was a Madras State, where majority of Tamil and Telugu regions were together

1. till 1956 and
2. earlier during British regime from 1810-
3. even much earlier during Vijayanagara Empire from 1373.

Vijayanagara Empire ruled Tamil regions with their feudatory kingdoms in Madurai, Tanjore, Chenji, Chandragiri, Vellore from 1373 till 1735. Rulers were of Telugu ancestry.

How often do Tamil speakers in Tamil Nadu come in contact with Telugu speakers?

 Uma Maheshwarji,

How often do Tamil speakers in Tamil Nadu come in contact with Telugu speakers?

One out of 20.(Telugu Speakers are 5.65 percent as per 2001 census in TN, mainly in border districts & Chennai)

One out of 40 (Kannada Speakers)

---

How often do Tamil speakers in Tamil Nadu come in contact with Telugu speakers?

If you extend it to Telugu ancestry, (who cannot read or write, but speak due to Tamil imposition in Schools)

May be One out of four.

---

Telugu population is not uniform. In some regions you can find them more. In some regions, less. There are some villages with only Telugus.

If one travels 170 Kms, from Nagercoil to Virudhunagar, the language diaelect changes starting with Malai Mozhi, Semmozhi and end with Isai Mozhi.

Some districts, where Telugus more are:

Chennai /Thiruvallur/ Kanchipuram

Coimbatore/ Salem

Madurai/ Theni/ Tiruchi

Krishnagiri/ Vellore/ Dharmapuri

Virudhunagar/ Thooththukkudi

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Why so?

Vijayanagara Empire (1323 till 1737) had atleast seven feudatory Kingdoms. Five are Telugu kingdoms and last 3 are Tamil countries with significant Telugu population.

1. Tulu Rajya (Kanara) with Bangalore and Mangalore as capital. (Later mentioned as Mysore also, Sri Rangapatna was camped by empire during its decaying period)

2. Malai Rajya (Shimoga and North Kanara) with Banavasi as capital.

3. Udayagiri Rajya (Nellore and Cuddappa) with Udayagiri as capital.

4. Penukonda Rajya with Penugonda as capital. Second Capital of Empire after Talikota war.

5. Muluvai Rajya (Kolar, Chittor, Salem, Dharmapuri, North Arcot) with Mulbagal as capital.

6. Rajagambira Rajya- Chola and Tondaimandalam (later mentioned as Chandragiri, Vellore- Third and Fourth capital respectively of Empire during its decaying period).

7. Pandiya Rajya with Madurai as capital

With over 700 years, they are the Son of the Soils of Tamil Nadu with no linkages with Telugu Speaking States of either Telangana or Andhra, but speak Tamilized Talli Telungu.